Former National
Chairman of the defunct Alliance for Democracy, AD, Alhaji Usman Adamu
Song is singing a political tune that would alter the regional balancing
adopted by most political parties in Nigeria.
According to Song who was also the deputy
national chairman of the Progressives Peoples Alliance, PPA, President
Muhammadu Buhari should endorse Vice-President Yemi Osinbajo if he would
not continue in office beyond 2019. “Should Buhari through his freewill
decide that he is not interested in continuing, I hope and pray he
endorses Vice President Osinbajo to take his place because I have not
seen anybody inside and outside government who believes in the ideals
Buhari stands for, who has shown clearly that he would continue from
where Buhari started other than Osinbajo. Asked if it would be fair to
deny the North the turn of a second term, Song quipped: “There shouldn’t
be…there is not supposed to be turns. It is not supposed to be
turn-by-turn. There is nowhere in Nigeria’s constitution that says
Nigeria’s presidency is turn-by-turn.
This issue of turn-by-turn is the creation of political parties. Why are we imposing that on the country? Why?”
He added: “See, this clamour for North,
North, North, North, I don’t see any sense in that. There are several
northerners who have been at the helm of affairs in this country, what
has the North got to show for it?.” He spoke on other issues in this
interview conducted by KENNY ASHAKA.
During the Yar’Adua administration
you sounded a note of caution to the government over the handling of
alleged scam involving his predecessor, President Olusegun Obasanjo.
Would you also say the same thing now that the revelations about alleged
corruption of the previous government are mind-boggling?
It is unfortunate that we do not seem to
realize and act at the appropriate time. We do not also act decisively.
It is obvious now that this country has been milked to the point of
disintegration. I want to believe and strongly too, that all these
threatening agitations are the by-products of corruption cases that have
not been handled adequately. How do you justify somebody who has been a
leader given a position of trust for betraying this trust beyond human
imagination.
This is not a case of stealing N20
million or N50 million. It is a case of stealing N100 billion to N200
billion. Is that person sane at all? So, in the case of scam, Nigerians
should mobilize and support any of our leaders who is prepared to deal
with scam, not just Buhari.
There is an opportunity now for Buhari to
prove one point. His Secretary to the Government of the Federation,
SGF, has been indicted. Nigerians are watching, and all the
international communities who see Buhari as one of the most transparent
leaders Nigeria has produced are watching. The position and action of
government as it affects the SGF will determine his integrity and future
respect as one of the leaders of African nation that sincerely abhors
corruption. It should not be cosmetic approach because granted a lot of
former Ministers have been alleged to have stolen money as in the
example of the former minister of petroleum, but the way he would treat
the case of the SGF will go a long way to remove any doubt that the
Buhari anti-corruption crusade is one-sided or not. So, Buhari’s
integrity rests on how he handles this case of the SGF. He has seen that
despite the sufferings Nigerians have gone through they are still
supporting him. It is not because the actions of the government has
translated into anything on the ground for the poor man in Nigeria; it
would eventually come but for now, there is nothing on the ground for
the poor masses but they are still hopeful that by the time all his
policies, actions and plans start bearing fruits, it would reach them.
But it is very significant and critical for him to know that not only
Nigerians but the world is watching.
Critics are saying there have been no convictions to justify the fight against corruption?
Buhari has said one thing from
the beginning that his challenge in the fight against corruption is the
Judiciary. We can clearly see how the Judiciary is a stumbling block and
we all can see how they keep on playing on technicalities. And if you
look at it critically, you will discover that there are many forces
working against this government.
Where are the forces coming from?
For example the National
Assembly; to be specific, the Senate. The Senate is just a clumsy
liability to this country. I cannot pin-point one useful thing that the
Senate has done to this country other than holding us back. I have not
seen a Senate where every popular idea dropped there has been killed. I
have never seen an institution that is democratic; that is anti-people
like the Nigerian Senate, otherwise I cannot see why the Senate is
working against the wishes of Nigerians. Take for example, universally,
retired Col. Hameed Ali of the Customs is somebody regarded as doing
good. Why did the Senate take pleasure in ridiculing him? Why is the
Nigerian Senate sabotaging Magu, the EFCC Chairman when he is being
acknowledged universally as a good person?
The Senate worked on the report…
What report?
The report from DSS
You are coming back to what I am saying.
There are too many forces working against this guy. What has the DSS
identified in him? Why is he not being prosecuted? If the president
appoints Emeka for instance and the Senate says no, they are indirectly
working against the president. And the president has confidence in this
man and Nigerians have agreed that from his antecedent he is doing fine.
If the report of any government agency indicted Magu why has he not
been taken to court? Is the report only meant to stop him from being the
Chairman of EFCC? I suppose it is a criminal offence. Why would he not
be investigated and taken to court?
It’s like Buhari is alone in this fight against corruption because most of the agencies…
(Cuts in) That is the point and that is
the problem. That is not too far away from the truth because most of the
critical agencies do not believe in fighting corruption, principally
the Senate that has come out clearly to work against anything aimed at
fighting corruption. We have seen how they attempted to amend laws. We
have seen how they tried to give members immunity. So, the Senate of
Nigeria is just a glorified self serving Senate that is not adding value
to the system.
What would you say about APC, the party on which back the president rode to power?
The party is not an institution of
government. It is just a vehicle for you to enter into government.
Because of the disrespect by our politicians to the institutions and
laws of this country, the party cannot function; the party cannot
discipline her members. It is now the tail wagging the dog instead of
the dog, wagging the tail. Most of the politicians are bigger than the
party.
Let’s go back to the scam under late
President Yar’Adua when you had to sound a note of caution on the way
the alleged scam was being handled. I asked you if you will say the same
thing to this government. What would you want the government to do in
view of the startling revelations?
Already, the present day government is
probing the Jonathan government invariably because all the institutions
and the individuals that are being probed were the core members of
Jonathan’s government. The only person who has not been indicted and
brought under investigation is Jonathan himself. Take for example his
National Security Adviser., since this government came into power, it is
one big scam from the NSA that they are still working on.
After spending more than two years
piloting the affairs of this country, would you say this administration
is free of corruption?
There is no way you can give a blanket
verdict that this government is free of corruption because it is only
the political leadership that has changed. All the other apparatuses of
government as inherited from even the days of Obasanjo are the same.
Whoever tells you that a particular government is free of corruption is
not saying the truth. It will be very difficult for Buhari to fight
corruption the way it is now. The only way is for Buhari to just thread
softly and tactfully until he reaches there because the institutions as
created by the constitution are the ones fighting him. Take for example
the Senate. The Senate is beyond Buhari. It is the same law that created
the office of the president that created the Senate. So Buhari does not
have the powers to scrap the Senate and one of the stumbling blocks on
the way of the president in fighting corruption is the Senate. But I can
assure you that in 2019, the Senate will change drastically because a
lot of them will not have the opportunity of getting back to the Senate
again.
Those who voted them are now wiser and
are able to reveal their true identities and the interests of the
Senators are at variance with the instincts of those who voted them into
the Senate. We have seen and heard of Senators who cannot go back to
their senatorial districts because they will be humiliated and
embarrassed as they are humiliating and embarrassing those who voted
them. How can somebody justify a Nigerian Senator’s legitimate salary of
N36 million in a country where the minimum wage is N18,000? How? Is
that not a self serving Senate? You sit down and appropriate that kind
of money for yourselves when the country’s toiling masses are asking for
a review of N18,000 and you cannot do it and you are doing next to
nothing?
We are inching towards 2018 when the
contest for the presidency would heat up. Looking at all the variables
and options open, would you advise that Buhari go for a second term?
I am not the one to decide for Buhari
whether to contest or not. If Buhari feels that he is strong enough to
continue as president in 2019, I will still vote for him. Should Buhari,
through his freewill decide that he is not interested in continuing I
hope and pray he endorses Vice President Osinbajo to take his place
because I have not seen anybody who believes in the ideals Buhari stands
for; who has shown clearly that he would continue from where Buhari has
started other than Osinbajo, both inside and outside government. I will
support Osinbajo 100 percent without looking twice and in any party he
stands to contest. I will not only vote for him, I will campaign for him
because I have not seen any Nigerian whom we have seen his antecedent
clearly. Osinbajo has proved five things to Nigerians. One, he has shown
Nigerians that he can never betray.
Secondly, he has shown Nigerians that he has integrity. Three, he has
shown Nigerians that his interest is Nigeria and nothing else. Four, he
has shown Nigerians that he is frugal and prudent. Fifth, Osinbajo has
shown Nigerians that he is fearless. And these are the good traits in a
good leader. Since Osinbajo acted as the president I did not see him
exhibit sentiments that are anti-Nigeria, unlike other politicians who
pretend. Yes he can make mistakes because he is human. Yes he can also
commit errors. But they are errors of the head and not of the heart.
What then would happen to the clamour by the North to have their eight years completed?
See, this clamour for North, North,
North, North, I don’t see any sense in that. There are several
northerners who have been at the top of affairs in this country, what
has the North got to show for it?
You are a Southerner but you know the North more than northerners.
What is special in the North that is not
found in other regions? Or what does the North have? Is it because we
have the advantage of producing more presidents than other regions? So,
this talk of it is the turn of the North is a clamour of parochial
minds.
What Nigeria needs is a leader who can unite us; who can provide services to the people without looking at religion and region.
I asked this question because the northern elders have always…
(Cuts in) I don’t know who the
northern elders are. I am more than 60 years old I cannot be a northern
child now. But I do not belong to the group of those who are clamouring
that it is the turn of the North now.
Would it not be fair for the North to have its turn of eight years?
There shouldn’t be…there is not supposed
to be turn. It is not supposed to be turn-by-turn. There is nowhere in
Nigeria’s constitution that says Nigeria’s presidency is
turn-by-turn.This issue of turn-by- turn is the creation of political
parties. Why are we imposing it on the country? Why? It is the creation
of the PDP and that is for their convenience. But people keep talking
about it as if it is in the constitution of Nigeria. The party I want to
belong is the one that has no turn-by- turn in its constitution, the
party that will look at Nigeria as a constituency and look at the best
material for election. I don’t believe it should be turn-by-turn because
I am not PDP and I do not believe in the ideology of PDP.
What would you say to those likely to
oppose your choice of Osinbajo with the reasoning that the South West
as represented by former president Obasanjo had had its turn and
therefore, it should go to the South East if it is not to the North?
What I am saying here and what I stand for is against this thing you are talking about. This
turn-by-turn thing you are talking about, where has it taken us to? It
has always ended up in the picking of mediocre as our leaders. As I
said, from where did you get this policy? People will talk and agitate
and their agitation is based on the fact that they have not seen a
credible leadership. The simple thing to do is for us to jettison zoning
and enthrone merit. Until a time that is done, we will not move.
Is that possible in Nigeria of today?
It must happen whether it is possible or
not. A journey of a thousand kilometres starts with a step. And the view
that I am expressing there are uncountable Nigerians from all the
divides who believe in it.
Some northerners believe the region is the power bloc that can determine who becomes Nigeria’s president and…
Who are these northerners?
These northerners say they have the population to so do
That is true. But it is not everybody in
the North that believes in what you are saying. For example, someone
like me and I have followership. We will very soon float a body that
will work against this sentiment. If we cannot get registered as a
political party we will float an NGO. Already, our papers are with INEC
and that is the philosophy of the party we want to register. We don’t
want turn-by-turn. We want to present a true Nigerian candidate; a true
Nigerian political party. The party will present any credible person.
If we are registered as a political party
and Buhari says he will not contest, we will support Osinbajo because I
see Buhari and Osinbajo as two sides of a single coin. Buhari and
Osinbajo is the best thing that has ever happened to Nigeria since
independence.
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